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Morning Mail: PSU students camping out to protect the Paterno statue

Jul 19, 2012, 9:00 AM EDT

Penn State Abuse AP

The irony here I guess is that kids are now protecting Joe Paterno, when the actual Joe Paterno did not protect kids. After a plane flew over the Penn State campus earlier this week with a banner that read ‘Take down the Paterno statue or we will’, a handful of students have gathered in front of Beaver stadium to begin a vigil to protect it. Seniors Mike Elliot and Kevin Berkon organized a gathering at the statue, and reportedly said that they’re there to protect it from vandalism, and will not try to defend it if the university decides to remove it.

That decision, say university officials, could come within a week.

Berkon also conveniently told any potential vandals what hours that the students would be there: 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

Tough times for the Paterno statue: columnists are howling for its removal, people are vowing to destroy it, and parents insist on posing their young boys next to it for photos (see above). This last thing could cause an irony vortex that could suck in all matter and result in devastation for miles around.


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  1. agelardi - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Statue getting more protection than the victims ever did. Sad.

    • bbk1000 - Jul 19, 2012 at 6:26 PM

      Well said….

  2. michiganhockey11 - Jul 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    Yeah, they better move or they’ll be collateral damage when the sledgehammers start swinging. Handful of ignorant students that know not what they are do or trying to protect.

  3. crosberries - Jul 19, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Young boy sleep overs are welcome the seniors watching the statue wanted to make clear

  4. ccshocktalk - Jul 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    If any of you genius’s would learn how to read, you could read the Freeh report about the situation at Penn State and in the report it makes it quite clear that Joe Paterno was not the one at fault here.

    The report itself states that the Penn State Police, Curley, Schultz, Spanier, 3 different janitors who worked at the university as well as the department of child welfare, and DPW all were a part of this situation LONG before Joe Paterno was EVER told about ANYTHING.

    in 1998, 3 high ranking university officials were involved as well as the department of child services, several psychologists, DPW, state college police department (that is not the same thing as campus police) all were involved in this situation when it first happened and all of them wrote this off as a gray area. The parents as well did not press charges…

    so please, someone, add to the 267 pages that does anything but implicate Joe Paterno as someone who failed to do anything. There are 3.5 million documents they used to put together the almost 300 page report…none of which has any emails, phone calls etc. from Joe Paterno saying we need to cover this up. Joe Paterno did his job in sending the information up the chain of command and that’s that…and if you can’t deal with the chain of command i strongly suggest you stay in your own little bubble and never leave it.

    • fearlessleader - Jul 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM

      Paterno’s history of bullying people in the university community, covering up problems in the football program, and enabling criminals goes well beyond the Sandusky scandal. He wasn’t the only exceptionally guilty one here—but he’s the only one with a goddamn statue.

      Here’s a bit more about his legacy of abusing his power, if you’re interested:

    • pilotbo - Jul 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM

      ccshocktalk- STOP being so naive and spreading this nonsense. This is an unbelievably sad and sick story, and comments like yours just further the pain that these poor victims had and are currently enduring.

      • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 6:23 AM

        I’m sorry, I thought this was America…the country that you are innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, not the court of public opinion. Clearly the court of public opinion is full of mainly lazy people who are incapable of reading. Obviously if you read the report you would see all the evidence are emails and notes from three out of four top officials at Penn State, and one of them was NOT Joe Paterno.

        What is happening is simply that people are going after the most notable name at Penn State. Since 1998 there were many more people not know Joe Paterno that were directly involved in the situation (including law enforcement, psychologists, department of child welfare, etc) and their job is to deal with situations like this…now the fact that they wrote it off should be what is getting people all riled up.

        You all need to put the kool aide down and read the report. The most damaging piece of the report against Paterno is a hypothesis that someone else pointed out saying the top 4 people at Penn State failed to do something. That’s it…that’s all the info the report offers up, and now everyone and their mother is saying the report implicates Paterno of damning acts…obviously the report has no evidence or anything on Joe Paterno.
        If this was a murder case or any kind of criminal scandal, the report they offered up would get laughed out of court.

        As disturbing as this situation is with Sandusky, the fact that so many people offer up insane ideas to tax penn state, take down the stadium, take away the program, smear Paterno’s legacy, all the while you are too lazy to actually read the report in its entirety. If you had read the report you would realize that names like Curley, Spanier, Schultz are more prevelant than any other name that isn’t Sandusky.

        In case you all forget, Joe Paterno did exactly what was expected of an employee at the university, he went up the chain of command and reported the incident once it was brought to his attention. There were at least 6 other Penn State employees who didn’t even do that. So, let’s be real. Joe Paterno has a statue because he was a coach, not because he was a saint.

        The people around Penn State created their hero in Paterno, Paterno never stated or did anything to tell people to follow his lead, call him the greates coach or a hero or a legend etc. he just won football games. He didn’t ask to be held in such high regards…the public did that, the same media that has failed to read the report were large proponents for Joe Paterno and made him as big as he was…Joe Paterno didn’t do that. And why did they do that? Because he won football games, not because he was a detective, not because he wore a cape, not because he did anything besides coach and coach very well.

        You all need to do yourselves a favor, get out the hooked on phonics, learn to read, and read the Freeh report, then look at the evidence in the appendix and then you will realize you are all being severely miss lead.

        • paperlions - Jul 20, 2012 at 8:29 AM

          Yeah, if it was your kid Sandusky was molesting, I’m sure you wouldn’t blame Paterno at all. After all, he had a couple of conversations with administrators and together they decided not to report anything about any of the incidents, I mean what else could anyone expect.

          When news of this first broke, the President of the university where I work sent out a mass email that included the universities policy on reporting such incidents and said, “Needless to say, if you witness anything you suspect to be abuse of a child, you should immediately report it to the police.” Universities are not the military, you don’t report rape to your boss, you report it to the cops.

          • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM

            Uh, yeah, if that was my child, you can bet your top dollar that i wouldn’t be mad at Joe Paterno. I would be wondering why the heck the police, the DPW, and the private psychologists involved didn’t solve this case years earlier.

            THEY did not have a meeting with Paterno. Please, direct me to the page number and the paragraph that states that Joe Paterno was in the conversation and Joe Paterno said that we need to cover this up to protect Sandusky. I have read that entire document and there is no email that says that, there is nothing that indicates he had any part of this.

            Outside of what McQueary told him in 2001 THREE YEARS AFTER THE POLICE WERE INVOLVED, Joe Pa wasn’t part of anything. How about the 2 janitors that WATCHED IT HAPPEN. How about Mike McQueary himself, he also watched it happen…that’s 3 separate individuals that could have separated the sick bastards head from his torso on three different occasions BEFORE Joe Pa even knew anything.

            So, please, tell me again how this was Joe Paterno’s fault.

            • paperlions - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

              You keep telling yourself that….Paterno, by EVERYONE’s account, was the most powerful man on campus. Emails indicate that the 1998 incident was discussed with Paterno and afterwards they changed their minds from going to the authorities to doing nothing. There was a sit down meeting with Paterno the day after the 2001 incident. In each case, a responsible person calls the police. Indeed, it was the legal requirement. Paterno did nothing….and he did that nothing actively every day from 1998 until the day he died….including lying to protect his own ass about being informed of the 1998 incident.

              Paterno was a bully who was only interested in protecting his football program.

              • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

                Oh you are right. I totally forgot the evidence that had zero emails from Joe Paterno. I also forgot that nowhere did it say Joe Paterno was in a meeting regarding these investigations. Go read the report. I can tell by your lack of information that you are just going to news outlets and writing what they are saying….learn to formulate your own thoughts and not regurgitate what the press is telling you.

                They vaguely say coach is interested in the case but never identify coach as Joe Paterno. It easily could have been coach Sandusky.

                Joe Paterno is not a bully, he was an 85 year old man, I’d say you are one huge pansy if you are scared of an 85 year old man. You are even more scared of the truth if you arent willing to read the investigation and it’s evidence. The only damaging part of the report is a synoposis that is written by Freeh and his feelings of the situation it isn’t a factual statement of what happened, it says the four top school officials (even though Paterno wasn’t a school official) failed to do enough.

                If the school officials failed to do enough and they are getting blamed, why are you so content with not blaming the police, the da, the board member who resigned because he knew of the situation and didn’t tell the rest of the board…you are so settled on blaming this all on Paterno, and nobody else. Leads me to believe you were the last one picked in kickball at school and this is your chance to try and take a dig at superior athletes. Maybe I’m wrong but maybe I’m right.

                At the end of the day, you need to learn to formulate your own opinions, read the report, the evidence, the index and see it for what it is.

              • paperlions - Jul 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

                Yeah, because the old guy didn’t use email and talked in person, he’s innocent…the other guys just made it up, they didn’t talk to Paterno and Paterno didn’t guide them to that choice….they were planning ahead so that Paterno could share the blame with them. Yep, that’s it.

                You’re an idiot.

              • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 8:46 PM

                Listen. Have you read the report for yourself, yes or no?

                The emails in the evidence don’t specifically mention Joe Paterno in any meetings. The report is extremely vague. The persons writing the report imply that Joe was involved but the emails barely even reference coaches let alone specifically stating Joe Paterno.

                “you are in idiot” your name calling speaks volumes for you and your inability to formulate your own opinion. It also shows that you haven’t even read the report…do yourself a favor, step away from the kool aid, read the report in its entirety…until then you’re just another blind following gobbling up everything the media has put in front of you.

        • 1historian - Jul 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM

          Yours is a point well made but I will never be convinced that Paterno didn’t know what was going on. And because he wielded an enormous amount of power on the campus he should have done something about it.

          As for reading the report – wanna bet that the number of people who are crucifying Paterno and Penn State and have actually READ the report is roughly equal to the number of politicians who actually read Obamacare before voting for it?

          As in – 0

    • tyniewow - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM

      So when the report says, “Four of the most powerful people at The Pennsylvania State University — President Graham B. Spanier, Senior Vice President-Finance and Business Gary C. Schultz, Athletic Director Timothy M. Curley and Head Football Coach Joseph V. Paterno — failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade. These men concealed Sandusky’s activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities. They exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky’s victims” it means that Paterno did nothing wrong!? The only people “living in a bubble” are you and the scum who continue to defend the indefensible.

      • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM

        Lets get real for a second. How about you get off your high horse, march your ass down to the police department and demand the badge numbers of the police who were involved in the situation back in 1998. How about you get involved and start looking for the DA who disappeared who also wrote this off. How about you go blame the child psychologists who were involved and called it a gray area. How about you go find the Department of Child Services and blame them and tell them, they were ALL involved in this situation.

        So how, please explain to me in great detail how Joe Paterno affects all of their jobs. Please. For once, I would LOVE to hear how Joe Paterno runs the state, the government agencies, the campus police (who are sworn police officers like any other police officers in uniform in any city or state).

        So get off your high horse, read the entire document page for page and you’ll see that there were multitudes who could have done A WHOLE lot more and stopped this back when it first started…and because THEY didn’t stop it it went on for longer and longer…this has nothing to do with Joe Paterno. The only reason you want to crucify Joe Paterno is because the school, the beat writers, the press, the media all made him a living legend…and because he’s the biggest legend at Penn State and State College, you want to crucify him…and that makes a whole lot of sense, now doesn’t it?

        Do yourself a favor, read the damn report for yourself and don’t read into the media hype, because I assure you the hype about this story has about as much validity to it as the boogie man does.

    • khc123063 - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:32 PM

      There are lots of Germans that you could say the same thing about. They did there job its not their fault, they filed the papers that were necessary, they voiced their concerns, but still 3 million Jews were murdered. Its always somebody else fault. There is plenty of blame to go around. The whole institution is to blame including The Demigod Joe Paterno.

      “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

      • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

        Are you an idiot, or do you just enjoy sounding retarded?

        ” They did their job, not their fault…” There is a big difference between following orders, and doing what you know is right when your orders are to massacre 6 million people.

        When your orders are to report the violation to the authorities and to the senior people at the university there is nothing wrong with following orders and protocol.

        The fact that the police, the DA, the DPW, and other government entities were already involved and should have solved the situation should show you just how far off this story is. This has nothing to do with Joe Paterno doing his job, this has everything to do with the people making Joe Paterno one of the biggest names in college, and the biggest name at Penn State…and then when something bad happens everyone expects him to do something.

        Then lets get the great idea to tax penn state tickets, and make the football team pay and the student athletes who had NOTHING to do with that situation…great idea…just grand. I’m glad so many intelligent people are weighing on what to do with this situation.

        Lest you forget that it wasn’t so long ago that the coach at Baylor university was encouraging their team to cover up the murder of a teammate…and nobody seems to remember that or care what happened…so please, tell me again how Joe is this god awful coach who is the worst thing to ever hit sports.

  5. daviddmsvcp - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Penn State has definitely got itself a statue problem.

  6. savethisname - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    This is an incredible tragedy but condemning Joe Paterno to the degree that most people have is taking it too far,
    there are so many people that could have stopped this before it got so out of control: his wife?, the people involved with
    his charity?,the parents of the victims?, the grad student who witnessed and act of child molestation and did nothing but go to dad?…… and many, many,more. To pull the statue down and try to erase the memory of Joe Paterno is not going to erase the harm done to
    the victims. More energy could be spent on supporting efforts to educate the general public and develop more laws to
    protect innocent children from child predators such as Sandusky.

  7. philliephaninva - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    tear down the statue, the stadium and the football program. Maybe then the university will see the error of placing money ahead of children’s lives.

    • savethisname - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM

      That’s an intelligent strategy, so much for the many students who worked so hard to gain acceptance to the University and continue to pursue their education there, and the staff and many thousands that are employed by Penn State.

      • philliephaninva - Jul 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM

        What does football have to do with education?

        • 1historian - Jul 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM

          big time football brings in big time bucks and that helps the universities get bigger

    • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM

      Tear down the statue, the stadium, the football program? And how exactly does that rectify the problem?

      You’re the kind of person that sees a dog pee on the floor and would rub their nose in it to make the problem better. Great idea because people really learn from that.

      how about you just restructure the universities protocol, and train your police department, and the psychologists who were involved, how about you train the people at the DPW to learn how to identify a pedophile so this doesn’t actually happen.

      Nobody said here Penn State, you can choose to get a lot of money or you can choose to save a child’s life. You make it sound like they had a clear cut choice of what was going on. When law enforcemenet agencies were involved and didn’t do anything, how in the world do you blame this on Penn State? Aren’t the police the law enforcement? Aren’t they the ones that protect you from the bad guys, not Penn State.

      maybe you should do a little research, Penn State does A LOT of research and donates quite a chunk of change to charitable organizations, and does a lot of good for the community. It’s all of you people who just see it for football that truly don’t have a clue what the university has, and what it does.

  8. khc123063 - Jul 19, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    I think The Statue should stay. Coach Joe Paterno did all lot for the school and that should be recognized. I do believe the Statue should be slightly altered though. Remove his Glasses and replace them with a Blindfold signifying how he blindfolded himself to the heinous acts occurring or instead of blindfolding him have a couple of children added to the statue except put them behind him to signify how he turned his back on the children that desperately needed his assistance and it was refused. Just my opinion but Your Campus should NEVER be allowed to forget.

    • ccshocktalk - Jul 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      so what should we do in memory of all the slaves we kept here in the United States? what should we do so we don’t ever forget them? What should we do for all the innocent people we sat by and watched get slaughtered by the THOUSANDS in Darfur, in Rwanda, and here today, at the present moment we sit back and watch consistently for over 17 months, as the most powerful country the world has ever seen, we sit back and watch innocent people get tortured, mutilated and brutally murdered, raped, etc. and we do nothing about it….what should we put up in their memory in America so that we never forget that while we sat over here with all this technology and top of the line military grade weapons, security forces, private military forces and yet we do nothing to stop this…and if you want to give me that whole line of crap that it didn’t happen in America, then at least address and tell me what we are going to do to remember the slaves that got raped, tortured, molested, beaten, and murdered….or how about all the free people that the same treatment by the KKK….what shall we do to remember them so that we never forget all those atrocities as well.

      Better go bury your head in the sand, because if you want to start saying we should never forget this and rub it in Penn State’s face for what happened, you better be willing to own up to all the atrocities this entire country has been a part of since its inception back in 1776.

  9. startedin67 - Jul 20, 2012 at 6:50 AM

    How about we compromise and split the difference? The statue will not be destroyed, but it WILL be moved to some dark, distant corner of the University, out of public scrutiny, hidden from view, yet still lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the campus. There’s something rather appropriate about that.

  10. 1historian - Jul 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Mr. Chandler – your remark about the ‘irony vortex’ is a good one and it makes up for your idiotic post about Charles Barkley yelling at a young lady to take off her top.

  11. bbk1000 - Jul 23, 2012 at 7:38 AM

    ccshocktalk – Jul 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Uh, yeah, if that was my child, you can bet your top dollar that i wouldn’t be mad at Joe Paterno. I would be wondering why the heck the police, the DPW, and the private psychologists involved didn’t solve this case years earlier.

    Wouldn’t be angry at Paterno? Seriously? He had more ability to stop this than any agency. You are just another half witted Paterno apologist….

    What’s sad is Paterno couldn’t give a flip about most of the people defending him. It’s very apparent there was the football program and then everything else.