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Was Sue Paterno kicked out of Penn State campus pool?

Nov 23, 2011, 5:38 PM EDT

Joe Paterno and his wife Sue greet supporters outside their home in State College in still image taken from video Reuters

The Patriot-News and the Associated Press both reported on Wednesday that Sue Paterno, wife of embattled former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno, was told that she could no longer use the university’s campus pool, where she usually works out. But on Wednesday night NBC’s Peter Alexander tweeted that Mrs. Paterno was not actually banned from the facility. Alexander’s tweet:

Mrs. Paterno was NOT kicked out, per #PennState: “The indoor pool was closed to all public swimming today.” @greggdoyelcbs

Yes, the aquatics center web site confirms that the pool is closed over the Thanksgiving break. But the report is still unclear: The Patriot-News cited “A source close to the Paterno family” in reporting that Mrs. Paterno “was told she could no longer use the facilities.” And the Associated Press reported that “the family was saddened” by the development. It’s hard to believe the family would have been “saddened” by a Thanksgiving break shutdown.

So we probably won’t know the real story until Monday.

The Patriot-News:

Sue Paterno used Penn State facilities to swim and exercise everyday, the source said, but was told Wednesday morning that she could no longer use the facilities.

Here’s the university’s aquatic facility web site.

The Associated Press is also reporting this, adding that “the family was saddened” by the development.

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Sue Paterno told she can’t use Penn State University pool to swim [The Patriot-News]
Sue Paterno Was NOT Banned From Using PSU’s Pool [NBC Philadelphia]

  1. skeealaska - Nov 23, 2011 at 7:43 PM

    As a long time Penn State fan my first reaction is : this cannot be true. I’d like some confirmation. If it is in fact true, does anyone think this mismanaged state run university could fall even lower than it already sits? If true: DEATH PENALTY!!……………or at least no bowl game, or maybe cancel the 2012 season. Regardless, the party is def over.

    • tiredofincompetence - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:20 PM

      Sorry, but I disagree. There are plenty of reasons to punish the university, but no good reason to punish this group of kids. The NCAA does a really bad job of creating penalties that “fit the crime” so to speak. I’m not sure who’d be imposing the “death penalty” here, but one thing is for sure. These kids signed up to play football a decade after Sandusky retired. Get the coaching staff out of there, but why punish the kids?

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:01 AM

      This perhaps is the most telling of the whole story. A sordid act by the enraged administration. The school has finally realized that Paterno knew a whole lot more a hell of a long time ago and let the water go under the bridge. It is not trying to erase all contact with the Paternos. Had Paterno stepped in when he first “SUSPECTED” then Sandusky would have been removed from the university and Paterno would still have his squeaky clean reputation.
      But it was Thomas Jefferson, I believe, who said bad things happen when good men do nothing.

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:02 AM

        not should be now.

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 5:53 AM

        This is another case of yellow journalism. Look at http://www.athletics.psu.edu/rec/whitebldg/documents/THANKSGIVING2011.pdf. The pool has been closed since Saturday of last week for Thanksgiving recess and will open again on Monday.
        The quality of journalism has decreased with the spread of people who want to be first with the latest gossip without verifying the details. The original article by sara.ganim of pennlive.com said that s. ganim was told by a unnamed person that Mrs. Paterno was told that she was not able to use the pool.
        The pool was closed! And I am sure that after 40 years at the university Mrs. Paterno would know that the pool is closed over the Thanksgiving weekend. If I could verify that the pool was closed to everyone in a few key strokes, I don’t understand why Sara Ganim was not able to do the same work.
        And the problem is that MSNBC.com will not follow up the story and we will never know what if anything happened. The article inferred that Mrs. Paterno goes there every day and only Wednesday she was notified that she was not able to use the pool. But according to the schedule nobody has been able to use the pool since last Saturday!
        I hate this shi*! And to think these meatheads get paid to write this filth!

      • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:38 PM

        Your opinion counts for nothing especially since you haven’t even read the history on this.
        Paterno did report what he had heard- he didn’t see anything. The administration and the head of Campus Police and a county prosecutor decided to do nothing- even though they had a confession from Sandusky. That was ion the late 90’s years before this 2002 incident.They were the ones who needed to take this higher- not Paterno. Since when is a football coach in charge of a major University. You need to stick to reading the National Enquirer- that’s more your speed.

  2. tstout47 - Nov 23, 2011 at 7:59 PM

    If this is true Penn State has become the lowest of lows. No high school student should consider Penn State until this type of thing stops. Mrs Paterno is not guilty of anything. If I were a student there currently I would think about transfering because some day in the future Penn State may want to revoke my degree for some reason or other.

    • kellie111111111 - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:46 PM

      She’s guilty of using something that she is not paying for. That’s called stealing.

      • xgirl360 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM

        Her son still works for the University. I also think she is retired from PSU. Most schools allow retired staff to continue to use the facilities.

      • tstout47 - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM

        I think her and her husband gave over a million dollars to the school and the library is named Paterno. No parent or student has given more.

      • fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:02 PM

        xgirl- yea, that’s how sandusky got to still use the facilities after he was retired and we all know how that worked out!

    • fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:01 PM

      tstout- no parent or student did so much to hide child molestations either. Fact is if Joepa wasn’t a living “legend” he’d be under arrest too.

    • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:42 PM

      No students are involved in the Sandusky case. The media and their need to act lilke Fox News-
      ( Fos is not a news organization- they’re an opinion channel and a poor one at that) in other words print lies and distortions for a public that is as dumb as they are.

  3. mjbulls45 - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:10 PM

    we’ll see how many enrollments Penn State gets in 2 years after the football program has COMPLETELY fallen off, and paterno is no longer associated with the school AT ALL…

    its penn state that owes Joe Pa for putting the school on the map ,

    its def not for PSU’s academics or basketball team, I can assure you…

    PSU was a proud place because Penn State Football made it a proud place, competitive big 10 teams and putting players in the NFL,

    PSU is bigger then penn state football and Joe Pa?

    ok we’ll see…

    • revspinnaker - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:07 PM

      God knows mjbulls45, if it weren’t for football the American educational system would fall apart. I hear Penn state founder Benjamin Franklin was a real smashmouth footballer himself. At least when he wasn’t doing nerdy stuff like harnessing electricity. Or signing the Declaration of Independence.

      • mrznyc - Nov 24, 2011 at 9:13 AM

        Benjamin Franklin founded the UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA not Penn State. Very different school.

      • revspinnaker - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:29 PM

        Oops! Thanks for the heads up mrznyc. Can’t always believe what you hear on TV. The University of Pennsylvania is a much more prestigious Ivy League school. Apparently their football team, the mighty Quakers (kind of an oxymoron), doesn’t make the cut of the “Big 10,” or at least they only compete with other Ivy Leaguers such as Dartmouth, Yale, Harvard etc.

        In keeping with their 271 years of tradition, they place much more emphasis on intramural and recreational athletic programs, “to enrich the educational experience.” This among many other cultural amenities.Thus maintaining impeccable academic standards.

        The “Big 10″ could learn much from their example and put the emphasis back on academics where it belongs.

      • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:44 PM

        Benjamin Franklin did not found Penn state (sic) . Put down the bottle or turn off the computer- you can’t do both.

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:11 AM

      There is an Ï AM GOD Fallacy” that affects too many people. Because they are “GOD” whatever they do and think is and has to be correct and above the law. Unfortunately we see it today in too many politicians, i.e. the Clintons, many congressmen etc. And they leave behind commonsense, dignity and their obligation to do what is right.
      Every coach and team is a family and everyone knows it is impossible to hide secrets in a family, especially one that interacts every day. Paterno knew about Sandusky and chose to keep his mouth closed. Even if this came out 10-20 years ago it would have had the same effect as today. The whole football program would come under suspicion as Sandusky was an active member. So Paterno kept his mouth shut hoping it would go away. Pure and simple.

      • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:47 PM

        Sandusky retired from the football tean in the late 90’s . Years before the 2002 incident.
        Pure and simple? A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  4. alewatcher - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:10 PM

    Maybe because her husband is no longer employed there?

    • jjr57 - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:50 PM

      Are you kidding me, First, Joe has been found guilty of nothing except by public opinion. We all agree if Sandusky committed these crimes he should be put away for ever in a cell Bubba so there may be a little justice but if by some fluke the majority of us are wrong we better be ready to belly up to the bar to pay the tab. I beleive in our justice system to a point but ours system even with its flaws and human short comings is the best court system in the world. Back to Joe. “Maybe because he is no longer an employee” stupid commit. Not only is he maybe the greatest coach of this era he has given MILLIONS to the university. With such givings donors are give benifets, like allowing an 80 year old lady the oppurtunity to swim. Penn State like Ohio State has made the big blunder again. They have no class and care little about all involved from Paterno to the Sandusky accusers and possibly molested youth of our country. Everyone wants to place a level of wrong with a score beside it. Joe Paterno was treat completely unfairly by old money with no class and only their self interest at hand. As for the accused and the accussers.
      For Sandusky, if you truly are inocent you used big time poor judgement and get the knuckle head of the year award. If your guilty, BUBBA!!! For the Accussers, if these acts indeed happened the University has an obligation to help these people thru their entire life. Even that won’t cover the cost, it can’t even come close to paying for the mental hardship, past, presant and future. Even if Sandusky did no wrong but his poor judgement had an ill effect on these young people the price was still to high. Back to Paterno, the state police says he didn’t do his moral obligation. I say those in glass houses shouldn’t cast the first stone. If all our beleifs about this become reality the state police are just as guilty as the others. They were also made aware of these allegations at least 10 years ago. WOW, only the second time in my life have I replied to anything.On an even dumber note, its obvious that Luke Fickle will not be the head coach at Ohio State after next week. Urban Meyer will and Gene Smith is out also. Besides OSU has once again shown there ignorance by leaking this and not talking to Luke. Luke deserved better in how this was handled even if he does stay. OH WOW, after all this what was the issue. Yes, I know the people involved in all these instance and I can gaurantee you Mrs. Paterno had nothing to do with any of the things I just replied to. We have lost sight of why our youth go to battle for our freedoms. We were all young once and some of us paid the same price but at the end of the day we as a country seem to care less and less about people and more about our selves even when we loss nothing by being sensitive to all these things. If any one of us would have seen Sandusky molesting a 10 year old I am pretty confident we would do more than look at him and the young boy and say well I made sure it stopped. Hmmm, it would definatly stopped and there would be no question about it being stooped. At that point no more would have transpired and Sandusky would be trying to get out on parole now. You see if this is all true, this starts at the top. That means the the police, University and anyone else involved needs to look in the mirror in the morning and ask themselves why?????????????????????

      • bitsinmotion - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:15 PM

        “Are you kidding me, First, Joe has been found guilty of nothing except by public opinion. ”

        Which of course has absolutely zero bearing on the fact that, as the poster said, her husband no longer works there. But that’s for the irrelevant wall of text anyway.

      • fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM

        Joe was guilty of a shameless lack of morality. He could’ve easily made one phone call and stopped the raping of these little boys but instead did the bare legal minimum of passing it on to his “superiors” (though we all know at Penn St is or was the king) and doesn’t even follow up. Even goes to fundraisers with the guy, plays golf with him etc. Do you really think Joe didn’t know he was a pedofile when he asked Sandusky to retire early in 99 when Sandusky was supposed to take over for him? C’mon. I think there’s been an even bigger cover up here than we even know and it will come out sooner or later. God knows…

      • witchrunner - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:40 AM

        This reminds me of the intelligence of a lot of people who scream “well, we have to do something!” What should we do? “I don’t know by we have to do something!” And the correct response to this is…………. jump up and down on your left foot! It’s something! It matters not whether it addresses the problem or not, just that SOMETHING was done. I’m sure that the University feels vindicated because they did something.

        Of course, the reality is that Paterno did what he was supposed to do. All he had to go on was somebody told him something. There’s nothing that has been revealed that has indicated that he even knew the details of the incident.

        The fact is that all larger corporations have regulations on how to deal with potential criminal matters. That’s why they are reported to management. So that the people who are in charge are the ones who make the decisions. No corporation wants to let lesser employees make those kind of decisions. Why? Well, there is liability for making false reports for one thing. For another thing, technically placing someone’s hand on someone else with out permission can be viewed as assault. Would anyone who owns a company really want the cops called out to the business 5 times a day because some low level employee decides that someone “assaulted” them, although other employees wouldn’t view it as assault?

        Heck, reports are that the person who reported it to Paterno actually reported it to police. They did nothing. Of course, they claim they never received a call. It happened a decade ago. What really happened? Your guess is as good as mine.

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:17 AM

        Protecting and covering up rapes is worth how much today? The same question you ask about MacQueary, you can ask about Paterno. Paterno knew about Sandusky before MacQueary and what did he do? Paterno talked to MacQueary. Then he talked to the college officials who had a record on Sandusky. Then he had MacQueary talk to the college officials and did Paterno go to the police? Where does HIS MORAL OBLIGATION END? Who has more experience and sense a 28 year old or a 75 year old?

  5. myballsache - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:26 PM

    Thats cool, nobody wants to see some saggy ass in the pool anyhow!

  6. kellie111111111 - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:28 PM

    If she is not faculty, staff, or paying student body…then why in hell would she even think it was aceptable to be using the facilities…..you know why, b/c she is an entitled you know what…..her husband harbored a child mollester for years and enabled his “extra ciricluar” acitives….they should all be in jail

    • tlw217 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:03 PM

      As a proud PSU alumni I can’t take anything you say seriously because I know how to spell curricular! You can find a dictionary to help you spell in the PATERNO LIBRARY on the PSU campus!!!!

      • ihatevick - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:15 PM

        That name will be changed soon I’m sure……………

      • tlw217 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:53 PM

        Only if they return the $3 million it cost to build that and the board of trustee needs all the money they have for PR firms and lawyers!

      • tiredofincompetence - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:09 PM

        Maybe the name will be changed . . . if Penn State wants to give the Paternos their 3 or 4 million dollars back. If the university thinks the only way to rehabilitate its image is to break all ties with the Paternos, it shouldn’t get to pick and choose. Stop being hypocrites and give them their money. Joe’s turning a blind eye was wrong, and as much as I’ve always admired him, there was no way for him to remain at the university. Still, the university owed him a little more than a quick kick to the curb. He can’t be part of the school’s future, but there’s no doubt his been an overwhelmingly positive part of it’s past, despite this shocking moral lapse. Mrs. Paterno’s done nothing wrong and has always gone above and beyond to support the school. Refusing her admission to the pool is inexcusable and demonstrates the complete lack of control the university has over its free fall.

      • bitsinmotion - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM

        As a proud alumnus of a school not PSU, I can’t take anything you say seriously because you seem to believe that “alumni” is singular.

      • mdneer - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:54 PM

        Shouldn’t that be the Paterno LIE-BRARY?

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:26 AM

        tlw217 If you were graduated from any college and had a clear head, the answer to not letting Mrs. Paterno swim is obvious. The new administration has gotten word from the trustees to distance the school from the Paternos in every aspect. The school has been burnt with allowing Sandusky on campus and using an office therefore it is going to the extreme with the Paternos.
        It seems fairly obvious that Joe Paterno will be dragged into this. Remember Turman’s plaque. “THE BUCK STOPS HERE!” Every law enforcement agency is going to be in on this and every player, coach, administration official and janitor is going to be questioned, their backgrounds checked very minutely and some people are going to granted immunity and will talk.

  7. pogodog7 - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:32 PM

    Everyone at Penn State is to blame. Joe kept silent because he wanted to keep coaching. The administrators kept quiet because they wanted to keep winning. The other coaches kept quiet because they wanted to keep their jobs. I wish we were talking about Obama and his homosexual lovers like Larry Sinclair instead.

    • mojoquasi - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:43 PM

      Jesus pogodog we get it. You hate n!ggers, Obama in particular. Crawl back under your rock.

    • makenz04 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:06 PM

      You had me agreeing with you until the last line. I’m not an Obama supporter at all, but you really discredited yourself with that line… But the person below you is just as wrong. When does not agreeing with the president (or making an idiot comment about him) have anything to do with race?

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:19 PM

        For racists, ALL THE TIME!

      • bitsinmotion - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:22 PM

        You really are an idiot. You can dislike Obama’s policies without being a racist, but only racist imbeciles drag out the kind of ludicrous trash he did.

    • vgeorgie - Nov 24, 2011 at 11:59 AM

      this story just keeps getting uglier and uglier, yes you might think everyone at Penn State is to blame, My heart goes out to the young men who this happen to, I’m a mother and I have a huge question about all of this……Didn’t those mothers notice something different about their boys, the way they were acting, their moods….????? why did it take so long to bring this to the surface, if my child’s mood changed I knew it…if for some reason she stay’d in her room all the time i wanted to know…I’m not blaming the boys at all but just questioning why the parents weren’t more in tune to their children…I feel that is a huge problem with parenting now a days “TALK TO OUR KIDS” and I mean sit down and talk to them….I just don’t know where this whole thing is going, but I feel it’s going to get worse before it gets better, so very sad…and you know everyone blames Joe for not doing more but what about the guy who said he seen it happen in the shower, why didn’t he just walk over and get the young man and knock Sandusky the #$&% out…I’m just saying..

    • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 4:57 PM

      you’re insane pogo

  8. mogogo1 - Nov 23, 2011 at 8:53 PM

    Wow, this is getting strange and petty. On the one hand it’s hard for me to imagine myself assuming I’d continue to be able to use all the facilities at my spouse’s place of employment after they’d been terminated. On the other hand, after 40+ years, you’d have thought somebody from the university could have picked up the phone and explained it to her without literally kicking her out of the pool.

    • ihatevick - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:14 PM

      Yep just like Joe could have called the cops…………..

    • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 5:08 PM

      He was terminated- or in other words forcibly retired. Retired people get to use facilities at many institutions.

  9. makenz04 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:01 PM

    Oh goodness, she couldn’t use the pool? Can you still use your work gym after you have been fired? No? So why should your wife be able to?… Let’s not forget the one thing that should outrage people more then this story… CHILDREN WERE ABUSED!

    • tiredofincompetence - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:15 PM

      Yes, children were abused, but not by Mrs. Paterno. There’s no doubt that the children should be the everyone’s primary focus, but there are plenty of facets to this situation. There are many legitimate issues and lots of nuance to discuss here. I don’t think anyone is forgetting the children at this point; to keep screaming that one point from the tree tops ignores the systemic problems that createdthis mess. Correcting those deficiencies is undoubtedly another important focus.

    • tstout47 - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM

      Do you have any idea how much money the Paterno’s have given to Penn State.

      • fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:12 PM

        He could give a billion dollars, it wouldn’t erase the fact that he harbored a pedofile to save face for his program when he could’ve made an example out of the guy and showed he really did stand for all that honor through sports BS he always spoke. That’s what you call a Hypocrit.

      • revspinnaker - Nov 24, 2011 at 8:44 AM

        I hear it was a few million. I would like to know how much Paterno was paid annually and for how long. I’ll bet what he gave back to the school was a pittance.

        It’s time to privatize sports just like any other entertainment industry. No more exemptions from antitrust legislation, no more stadiums being at tax-payer expense and no more exploiting our schools as recruitment and training centers.

        If all the socalled “huge money” generated by college football went directly back into the schools, instead of passing through the pockets of the likes of Sandusky and Paterno, there would be no need for increased real estate taxes or the lottery.

        Sandusky needed a way to shelter all his money to avoid tax. What better way for a rich, socially insulated pedophile than to start a not-for-profit charity for children to dump his money into. And then get kickbacks, expense accounts and access to potential victims.

        Why do you think Second Mile destroyed his records?

  10. luvsheat - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:05 PM

    I am 50/50 on this…First part is although Paterno has been fired, is he still on the payroll and living on grounds? If so then his wife should be allowed to use the facilities…after all, SHE did nothing wrong.

    However if Paterno, since being fired, has lost all of his privileges at PSU then there is absolutely no right for his household to assume the facilities are there for there benefit…I mean, would I be allowed to walk in off the street and use the pool?

    • ihatevick - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:12 PM

      Well we don’t know that “SHE did nothing wrong” yet do we?

      • jimeejohnson - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:21 PM

        Great username!

      • xgirl360 - Nov 23, 2011 at 9:23 PM

        Its ridiculous to think SHE did anything wrong. Some people are just ignorant. JoePa should’ve called the cops himself, but he did what was school policy and reported it to his superior. Also, by all accounts, what he had been told happened was not the full details. Needless to say, even if he didn’t do everything he should have, Sue is an innocent elderly woman and should not be treated like this.

        Let me get one thing clear. SANDUSKY molested those boys. He should be punished in ways our legal system does not allow. Eight Amendment be damned. I’m tired of people acting like Paterno was the one who committed the crimes. I worked with abuse victims, if I had a dollar for every adult who could have stopped abuse and turned a blind eye or failed to act on suspicions or claims, I’d have a house in the Hamptons.

      • tiredofincompetence - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM

        Seriously? What might she have done? Ridiculous.

      • miguel3557 - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:24 PM

        ihatevick,

        Nor do we know that she did anything wrong. Do you have problems with the presumption of innocence, which would apply only if there were good reason to suspect that she did something wrong? In any event, she isn’t required to prove she did nothing wrong. Rather, accusations of wrongdoing by her must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before she could be be convicted of any legal violation. It’s called due process of law. You have a problem with due process of law?

        You’re just another opinionated knucklehead whjp fails to appreciate the basic tenets upon which our society is built.

    • chiefagc5675 - Nov 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM

      revspinnaker
      A few years ago the Harrisburg Patriot News, or whatever that small town paper is called, thought the same thing about Paterno’s salary. So they requested his salary information from the University. The University said they didn’t have to give the information and refused. The paper, thinking they were really on to something, went through the courts and compelled the University to release the information. Surprise! Surprise! Paterno was only making $500,000 as the winningest coach in history. Millions- yes millions- less per year than a number of other coaches. I think the paper came out looking like the yellow jounalists they are. So Paterno gave a large amount of his salary to the University. His first ten years as a coach he rented a room from a family in State College- he didn’t make enough to own a car

  11. hegleyphenegley - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:07 PM

    I have a Ph.D. from Penn State. Each day I become more and more upset with the uttler stupidity of the entire management of the university. Make no mistake, my entire sympathies are with the victims who have suffered the alleged sexual crimes by Sandusky. If he is guilty, I would put him in prison for life. What in the hell did Sue Paterno have to do with these crimes? Nothing!!! A Salem Witch Hunt mentality has descended on Unhappy Valley. I will not donate one red cent to this place until the Board of Trustees and other administrators get their heads out of their rear ends. The domino effect is reaching far and wide. Why not take away the degrees of all students who have graduated since 1998 and suspend those who are students from 1998 to the present. One does realize that some members of the student body had to have heard the Sandusky rumors across all these years. Also, disband the football team and nullify every season since 1998 and maybe even before. Am I serious about these latter recommendations concerning PSU students and the football team? Obviously, I am not serious. However, I wouldn’t put anything past the dumb clucks who are in charge of this institution. They sure as hell need a strong dose of critical thinking. Do you really think that not one of the trustees ever heard any rumors of these alleged crimes? I probably will not longer send any financial support to PSU. This episode with Sue Paterno is inexcusable. And to those above who do not want to cut her any slack, blame everyone, merchants in State College, the baker, the butcher, the candle stick maker, and the undertaker. I know all of you “antis” are pure as the new driven snow. So pick up some stones and throw them at anyone you can see. What a super sick society we live in.

    • luvsheat - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:11 AM

      It’s called CYA

      I doubt Paterno is the only one complicit, from his position on up. My gripe with Paterno is his total disregard for the accusations when they first emerged. I don’t feel a bit sorry for Paterno but I do for his wife who has taken the fall-out.

      I, of course, do not think any program of PSU should suffer because of one freaking degenerate and the apparent cover-up of the administration.

      I do, however, believe sandusky should be shot, burned to death, then given a lethal dose in the veins…might be “overkill” (pun intended) but you can never be too sure

    • revspinnaker - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:32 AM

      @ hegleyphenegley: “One does realize that some members of the student body had to have heard the Sandusky rumors across all these years.”

      So there were “the Sandusky rumors” for “all these years?”

    • natalierosen - Nov 24, 2011 at 7:16 AM

      Hegley, perfect response. EXACTLY rational and correct.

      Then again in our culture one can expect anything. Who the heck is rational here? NO ONE just take a look at the Republican slate…now Newty wants child labor to do the janitorial work…Our culture is NUTS! In Yiddish (my parents second language) they would say “it’s a SHANDA for the neighbors) Exactly my sentiments..it’s a SHAME for the neighbors!

      • revspinnaker - Nov 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM

        Natalie: Actually I believe the Japanese have their school children do a bit of cleaning as part of their daily routine. They also aren’t distracted by an unhealthy obsession with athletics as in American schools.

  12. Kevin O'Laughlin - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:27 PM

    Even if you believe that Mrs. Paterno should not have been allowed to use the university’s athletic facilities, did they really have to ask her to leave? Couldn’t someone with half a brain and a grain of empathy taken this up with her privately, at her home, or another location? She surely deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.

  13. swampy99 - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:38 PM

    I am not assuming Mrs Paterno did anything wrong in terms of knowledge of the crimes committed (that should be investigated), but did it occur to anyone on here that showing up for her regular swim at Penn State facilities like nothing happened illustrates a certain arrogance?? Her husband was fired from the institution, and may (should) face criminal charges….these two just don’t seem to grasp the seriousness of this situation and think they are above it all. This man and his wife were treated like GODS at this university, and they obviously both have the sense of entitlement that treatment instilled.

  14. westernnysports - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:41 PM

    First of all, what did JoePa do worng UNDER THE LAW??? According to Pennsylvania state law all JoePA had to do was report the incident to his superiors. He did that. He was under no obligation to follow it up, to call the police or anything else. Penn State is looking for a scapegoat because of his superiors SCREWUP!!! If people want someone to blame for the mess than crucify Sandusky, and JoePa’s superiors. He didn’t cover it up, it was reported, following chain-of-command. To crucify JoePa shows how classless Penn State is….

    • swampy99 - Nov 23, 2011 at 10:52 PM

      We don’t know yet if he did something wrong under the law. If Paterno knew Sandusky was doing this to little boys, and allowed it to continue for years, while also having something to do with the quarter million dollar payment froml Second Mile to Penn State for Sandusky to “use Penn State facilities” after he had resigned, then he indeed could have some criminal liability. Do you all have any idea of the power Paterno had at Penn State?? He almost ran the entire University. You don’t get to have all the perks, and none of the responsiblity of that kind of power. HE needs to answer some very serious questions about his knowledge of this entire rotten mess, cause that paymentto Penn State raises another major red flag. The whole scenario stinks, and don’t tell me that lots of people didn’t know about all of this. I just read an article where a woman high up at the University said no one argued with Paterno about anything. When she tried to stand up to him, she was put right in her place. He was all powerful….therefore he needs to answer some very very serious questions which I’m sure are being asked right now by the Feds who are investigating. I’m not assuming he is guilty of anything, but there are some pretty damning facts and inconsistencies that have already come to light.

      • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:57 AM

        According to what has been written so far, we only know of one instance that Paterno has gone to the administration with one complaint. And yes he was God at the college. And as God he made the rules. And as God he followed his own rules. That is where he got into trouble.
        Pedophiles just don’t turn on. They are there working since the beginning of adulthood. So Sandusky didn’t just become a pedophile at the age of 55.
        Pedophilia can be described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation because it emerges prior or during puberty, and because it is stable over time.
        According to this report on pedophilia Sandusky has been a pedophile for probably 40+ years. And pedophilia does not mean the offender has to rape. It means among other things an inordinate desire in young prepubescent male children, that includes an overt overriding interest, touching, fondling and having the child do acts to satisfy the erotic desire of the pedophile. So by Sandusky’s own statements, he described himself as a pedophile.
        Now Paterno and Sandusky worked closely together for many years. Either you have to say that Paterno had his eyes and ears sewn shut about what Sandusky was doing or he was covering for him. The school is damned no matter which way it turns. And so are the Paternos. You can’t call the head of a successful college football team a dithering old idiot.

    • fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:21 PM

      Yea, Joepa’s lucky he’s in only 1 of 5 states, 5 out of 50! Where you just have to tell your “boss” and not the police. otherwise he’d be arrested himself. What a hero. Oh and by the way, the PA legislature is already changing that law now because of these scumbags.

  15. truegrit54 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:09 PM

    First off Joe has only been charged, not found guilty and the same can be said for Sandusky himself. Would you want him or his family in that pool? Secondly Joe does not work there anymore and yes this does show a degree of arrogance. And how does asking Mrs. P to leave the pool punish the kids unless for some reason they get something out of watching her swim? I also fail to see how the University admin is any more responsible than Joe. Does the law require him to report it to the police? I wouldn’t know because i am not a Pennsylvania lawyer but pure ethics and morals say he should have done more. Sorry but anyone who was aware of what was going on and failed to report it should be off of campus property and barred for good.

    • hairlessjoe - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:37 PM

      Did I miss something? What has Joe been charged with?

    • karla1953 - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:15 AM

      In reality Joe has not been charged with anything to be found guilty of. Sandusky has been charged but personally I think the legal system should be the determiner of that. The two men above Paterno who he reported it to were charged with perjury as they lied to the Grand Jury/Joe did not. The other alleged witness has also changed his story.

      Pa does not require a person to report it to the police but remember the PA DA’s office refused to press charges in 98 on the same thing/they would be the ones I would like to hear from

      BTW Paterno’s son still works there and I believe Sue also worked there and everyone who uses that facility be it students/faculty or guests on Day Passes that they purchase there may use it. Finally why not take her aside and inform her or do it in a different way/it has not been a problem all this time she goes everyday for goodness sake. Perhaps you are privy to info that I am not and know more of the real story from all sides/I do not JMO

  16. fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:17 PM

    The Paternos deserve all the backlash comin’ to em. If it was your child, your brother, etc, that all these hypocrits were turning the other cheek and letting be molested, you’d want them all run out of town.

  17. steveintennessee - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:26 PM

    I find the concept that the Paternos gave large sums of $$$ to PSU a farce. He turned his back on abuse, put himself above the right thing to do, had the gaul to once say…..”I am still coaching to protect kids from the Barry Switzers” Have checked the records and Switzer never had anything like this on his record. Bet for damn sure he would have kicked the crap out of one of his coachs if he knew what JP knew. I bet Brian Bozworth would have done more than that “change my story alot” excuse for a widereciver coach did. Notes the Police claim to have no record of being contacted. This is gonna get ugly beyond the word now that folks can speak up without fear of Joe. So what and who exactlly was he protecting? We all know the answer. So my question is……..how much money does one give to excuse his ignoring what he KNEW to have happened and was happening? The answer is….there is no amount. Money does not excuse aborations.

    • fatfreddystubbs - Nov 24, 2011 at 9:25 PM

      wow, you couldn’t have gotten the quote about Switzer more wrong if you tried.

  18. fitz79 - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:28 PM

    The arrogance… If you’re husband was fired from say the Holiday Inn for covering up child rapes that went on in the rooms there, would you show up the next week for a little dip in their pool?

    • revspinnaker - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:43 PM

      Excellent analogy fitz79. Especially if said husband had been harboring an accused pedophile for more than a decade. Seems Paterno must have mentioned Sandusky’s exploits to his wife in all that time.

  19. steveintennessee - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:30 PM

    I also not not think the current football team should be held accountable for this. Its everyone above them that should….the players are guilty of one thing. Wanting the PSU team to win…period. Leave them out of this

  20. stakex - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:34 PM

    Joe Paterno needs to pay for what he did… there is no doubt about that. I however can find no reason for his wife to be kicked out of the school pool. I mean there is no evidence that she had any idea her husban was playing “Hide the pedo”, so why punish her?

    Thats the problem with people in America, and perhaps humans in general. We can’t just hold the person who actually did something wrong accountable for their actions… we need to slash and burn everything about that person, and take it out on the people around them. And you know what? Its wrong.

    • stimpy77 (Jon Davis) - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:52 AM

      “Joe Paterno needs to pay for what he did” .. What did he do? Don’t be ridiculous. He reported the crime to his superiors. The law is emphatic about his responsibility. It’s his superiors’ fault for failing to follow up on what he reported and everyone is blaming him for what his superiors failed to do. Why? Because he’s the one who’s famous and who everyone apparently loved. Why was he famous and why did everyone love him? Because he was awesome; he was NOT the abuser, he did NOT harbor the enemy (again, he reported the crime to his superiors), he cared about his team, and he contributed a ton of money. You people are disloyal asses; it’s his incompetent, superiors–the same superiors who DID NOT act and who actually did what you accuse Joe Paterno of doing–who kicked Joe’s wife out of the pool!

  21. natalierosen - Nov 23, 2011 at 11:42 PM

    Just when you think the shower you took to get the feeling of YUK about the Penn State mess something else comes down the pike. What a disgusting thing this has become.

    I do not feel bad for Coach Paterno IF he knew and did nothing much like the Catholic Church but Mrs. Paterno? Well, 80 years old …give someone a break. Is there no humanity left in that putrid school Of all the ones outside of the children he abused which makes my heart ache, I think I want to cry when I think of Mrs. Paterno. Does she not deserve SOME human compassion in this utterly not compassionate slime. No compassion for the young men existed at this sorry school and no compassion for an elderly lady who perhaps is the most innocent next to the boys. I just shake my head at how the almighty buck has corrupted this nation from Wall Street to Penn State and everywhere in between. It’s ALWAYS about the money. STINKS!

    • mky8grn - Nov 24, 2011 at 12:24 AM

      What a bunch of crap. How much money has her & her husband given to the University????

    • pjmarn6 - Nov 24, 2011 at 2:13 AM

      You know the shadow of guilt/blame falls on the family of anyone who has been accused of a crime or problem. And you forget. Sandusky was let back on the campus even though he admitted what he did and was “retired”! So the pendulum swings all the way back and you should probably blame the trustees. They want to distance themselves and the college from the Paternos. With so many investigations and lawyers so expensive and the civil suits going to run in the hundreds of millions, the school, Sandusky, Paterno and the trustees are climbing the walls.
      Personally I am against suing the university. When take money from something that had nothing to do with the actions of Sandusky. It is only going to hurt the education of the students. It is mortar, bricks, equipment, books and increases the taxes of the people of PA. Who should be sued are all the PEOPLE who let this go on. Of course Sandusky, Paterno, the police who didn’t act and the administration people. But they don’t have the huge amount of money that is going to be asked and can’t afford the $500 an hour lawyers.

  22. psufan - Nov 24, 2011 at 1:12 AM

    I’m sorry, but if any of the journalist did any sort of investigative research, they will have known that this article should have not been published. The students at Penn State are currently on Thanksgiving break, and the Natatorium that houses the indoor pool that SuePa uses is currenly closed, so naturally she wouldnt have any access to it. It’s nice to see so many people jumping to conclusions without knowing all of the details. And page 2 of this pdf shows that it is closed in case you were wondering if I had any proof http://www.athletics.psu.edu/psustrength/facilities/schedule/RecWR_hours.pdf

    • natalierosen - Nov 24, 2011 at 7:56 AM

      Interesting posts. In this internet age you can say you saw the Lock Nest Monster and someone would believe you and write some untruths about it and then others would believe him. What is wrong with our culture??? Maybe what is wrong with man — greed and sex — constancies with which human beings let get OUT OF CONTROL. Look at other countries — ITALY for example — Berlisconi has been accused of being a sexual Disneyland and for having orgies for god’s sake.

      Someone great once said “Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.” I am not Christian. I am a Jew but I have ALWAYS loved most elements of Christianity meaning the very utterances of Jesus. I like the thoughts behind it I really do. I will never be a member of an organized Christian church or even accept other elements of its faith but the very words he said fill me with a wish that those who are so mean, so cruel and yet profess to be such good Christians really take a look at what he said and then review what THEY think.

      Christ did say “insomuch as ye have done it to the least of these my brethren ye have done it unto me.” and he did say before you criticize someone else for a speck in his eye look at the log in your own eye first. He did say if someone smite you on one cheek turn to him the other also. My goodness the man was saying such profundities — humane and good things. Why can those who profess belief in him not base their actions on what he said. Yes, I know one can interpret it as one wants but some things are crystal clear. Wait for the facts to come out before one goes berserk with indictments.

      Sandusky, if guilty is the main perpetrator. It is HE who should pay the price. Others who did not act morally should talk to their clergy or their god.

      It is the same with nation states — do we indict soldiers who killed innocent civilians or the hierarchy who delivered a rancid policy! Or we who pay taxes to keep that policy going? Profound questions and very complex matters with no easy answers. Just asking people to question and tone down the rhetoric. I am just as guilty of shouting and wanting my pound of flesh. Maybe this teaches a lesson — calm down, let the investigation proceed and oh yes I think our sagacious Founders abhorred cruel and unusual punishment!

  23. Derty Ernie - Nov 24, 2011 at 10:53 AM

    I’m missing something. Jo was fired he didn’t retire is good standing. Fired means fired period. Where does she get off thinking situation normal. Of course she can’t use the pool. Discussion over

  24. qqqqqjim - Nov 24, 2011 at 11:38 AM

    The whole Paterno clan should be banned from the university and all activities related to the university for life. If I had my way, I’d boot the whole bunch out of the state! Joe believed winning was more important than protecting children and should be stripped of any identification with the university. Now I know most big time college coaches are greedy, cheat, lie, coerce professors into passing their players, but I don’t think many would stoop as low as did Paterno, but what do I know?