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Former Duke star Hurley fires back at Fab Five: ‘Jalen Rose would not have played at Duke’

Mar 14, 2011, 1:14 PM EDT


Dan Patrick scores again with another highly entertaining interview today, as guest Bobby Hurley — the only person ever to play for Duke and then Indiana* — gives his review on Part I of ESPN’s Michigan Fab Five documentary. In addition to noting a “high level of bitterness” as the four Michigan players recalled their college careers, Hurley also noted that Jalen Rose may not have played if he had gone to Duke:

“He might have had a hard time hitting the floor, because he wouldn’t have taken my spot.”


“Jimmy King always thought I had no game. When I scored 26 on them, maybe that should have given King the hint.”

“There was a high level of bitterness,” Hurley said of the documentary. “Particularly directed at us.” Hurley wasn’t surprised, because Duke beat that team three times.

Hurley said that UNLV had more of a right to talk trash because the Rebels were a true monster. But Hurley said he wasn’t surprised Duke beat UNLV in the Tournament, because that Blue Devils team had been through anything.

Audio here.

Hurley now coaches at Wagner College as an assistant to his brother Dan.

Did you really think that the Duke players from those two seasons were just going to let those comments slide? Oh, this is just starting to get good.

You may say that the quotes in the documentary were just recollections, or how the Fab Five were thinking as kids 20 years ago. But it was clear to any impartial observer that, in watching Rose, King, Howard and Jackson talk now, that the bitterness is still there.

As for Hurley’s contention that Jalen Rose wouldn’t have played at Duke, he may have a point. While it’s true that Michigan had two marvelous NCAA Tourney runs, people tend to forget that they never won a Big Ten title, either. Tied for third (11-7) in 1991-92, and finished second to Indiana the following season.

* = The latter was in the movie Blue Chips.

Bobby Hurley on Fab Five, Duke’s chances in tournament [Dan Patrick Show]
Jimmy King: ‘Christian Laettner was a bi***’ [Off the Bench]

  1. longtallsam - Mar 14, 2011 at 4:54 PM

    I guess we can give the fab five credit for starting the rediculous trend of over-sized, baggy shorts! I am sure that makes them proud! The one other thing I truly remember about the fab five is Jalen Rose carrying the ball EVERYTIME he dribbled!

    • afingkel - Mar 28, 2011 at 8:49 PM

      Fab Five…Greed and Ignorance.. Good thing they had basketball and someone who cared enough to get them into school….or at least pay them to show up to the Michigan campus. After so many years they have to take shots at teams that kicked their butt. Wheren’t they the ones who were just supposed to show up and win…….guess they foregot you have to play the game…Oh yea, and to dribble the ball and know when you are out of time outs.

  2. lswingly - Mar 14, 2011 at 5:33 PM

    I’m so sick of this garbage. Stop trying to create controversy. Hurley did not say that Jimmy King had no game. He said that Jimmy King thought Hurley had no game, but he didn’t understand why since he dropped 26 on him.

    Here’s the funny thing about all this. I rooted against the Fab Five growing up. Now I hated and still hate Duke but there were two players from Duke that I have always liked in spite of them playing for Duke. Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley. I watched the special last night on ESPN and listened to the Bobby Hurley interview live. Of all the people commenting on the UM/VS Duke games, Bobby Hurley sounds the most bitter of them all. The guy freaking knew how many points he dropped on the Fab Five 20 years later. Who carries that kind of stuff around with them?

    The comments in the documentary were clearly expressing how they felt at the age of 18/19 but they all freely admit they got beaten by a better team. How is that bitter? Now they are bitter about the loss to Carolina because they felt they were the better team. But Duke was a case of walking into a situation with preconceived notions and finding out you were wrong.

    This is such a sad Joke. I urge Rick Chandler to go be a producer on Jersey Shore or something if this is the type of tripe he’s going to put out there. Way to be a professional and misquote someone to make a headline. I imagine we’ll see you’re retraction on some obscure blog 3 weeks from now, in other words, we won’t actually see it. This is irresponsible reporting of the highest degree.

    Oh and for the record I like Hurley’s confidence but had Hurley and Rose shown up on Duke’s campus at the same time, I seriously doubt Rose is the one riding the bench. And his follow up, insinuating that Thomas Hill would keep Rose on the pine as well is a complete Joke. Rose destroys Thomas Hill. That’s Hurley’s ego and loyalty talking.

  3. elaw1234 - Mar 14, 2011 at 5:35 PM

    wasnt jalen rose arrested or caught in a sting of a crack house while he was at michigan? was that in the documentary?

    • fullnelson3 - Mar 14, 2011 at 6:00 PM

      Go watch the damn documentary and quit posting stupid sh@!#…..of course it was covered.

      • elaw1234 - Mar 14, 2011 at 6:35 PM

        sensitive, and it is not stupid sh@!#, valid point when comparing the two programs, was anybody from duke at that time caught at a crack house? is it because they were “uncle toms” as he put it and he is from the street?

      • parkerstriper - Mar 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

        Rose’s comment about Duke recruiting only players who were from nice familes and black studetns who were Uncle Tom’s made me laugh. The difference in Duke and most other schools, is it recruits students who are athletes, not the other way around. 100% of almost every Duke team graduates. Nolan Smith and Singler are examples. They get an educaton and then play basketball. You seldom hear about Duke students every being arrested ( Rose was). They win because they play as a team and have one other thing going for them. They listen to their coach. Had Webber listened to his coach during the “last” tim out, he would have known not to call another one. Rose is a very intelligent individual. To say what he did is ignorant. Duke beat the “fab five” three times, mostly by white players. They (Duke) have a diversified team. They don’t play as individuals,they play as a team. For that Rose, Webber and the other three, should have noticed that fact. Had they adopted that line of thinking, they might have won something. They never won a championship and for that they blame everyonoe other than themselves. They had the talent, just didn’t know what to do with it.

    • mboykin703 - Mar 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM

      Jalen Rose was sitting down playing video games at a friends house. There was about 10 people there when the police showed up. One person there had drugs on them and under Michigan law, if you are in the vicinity of drugs, you are given a ticket for being in a location where drugs are being held. He was never arrested and never charged for anything. Neither were 8 of the other guys. Not a crack house, it was just reported that way in the paper.

  4. tominma - Mar 14, 2011 at 6:43 PM

    I think when Jalen Rose said Duke recruited “uncle Toms” , he was WAY outta line! Duke recruits players (usually) that can do the work at Duke! That is why so many of them stayed for 4 years! Ever nmotice how badly Duke’s football team always sux?? They cant recruit great players who can do the work!!
    Maybe Hurley was right that King might not have played for Duke… cuz he probly couldnt do the work! Michigan was a helluva basketball team when the Fab 5 were there! But they didnt win anything! Superteams are great—- The UCLA ( Wooden) , Kentucky (under Pitino), Duke, Florida, IU ( under Knight) .. THEY were superteams….. mostly becuz they won! Michigan didnt.

    • georgeanderson2 - Mar 14, 2011 at 6:56 PM

      DP brought up a great point, and would love to hear what Jalen has to say about C Webb being recruited by Duke, since only “Uncle Toms” were recruited.
      Jalen just said what he thought as a kid who was not exposed to much more than his neighborhood. Jalen was a very talented kid who was influenced by older generations of what the world was for them. Not until his surroundings were expanded did he realize what a stupid way of thinking that was as a youth.

  5. georgeanderson2 - Mar 14, 2011 at 6:46 PM

    Too bad C Webb wasn’t involved ,but he has his own story to tell and his own money to make by telling it.

    Fab 5 was fun to watch for those two seasons, they brought excitement to the game and it is about entertaining.

    Still not sure how I feel about players getting paid, but when you do wise up to all the money that is being made because of you and you don’t see a dime sans a college degree, how can you not see why these kids took money.

    As far as Hurley he took on two teams that most basketball fans talk about and two documentaries were just made about UNLV and Fab 5 and he beat them both in Final Four and National Championship game.(he did get smoked frosh year by rebels though).Hurley can say what he wants his game backed it up.

    *nice Blue Chips reference*

  6. gqadonis - Mar 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM

    All I have to say about Bobby Hurley is this:

    What did HE do in the NBA? Nothing. At least two of the Fab Five had marvelous NBA careers, and the members of that Duke team did nothing after college.

    Where do we see Bobby now? Nowhere. I see Jalen Rose on TV just about every night…

    • Bob Harkins - Mar 14, 2011 at 8:36 PM

      You might want to click on this. Heck Laettner even averaged 13 points and 6.7 boards over 12 seasons, pretty similar to Rose.

    • gatch21 - Mar 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM

      this isnt about the NBA nimrod

    • souldocter - Mar 14, 2011 at 9:55 PM

      Hey, Hurley was in an auto accident in December of his NBA rookie year. He was thrown from the vehicle and suffered life threatening injuries. He never really recovered although he was able to play 4 years more after getting healthy enough to play. Last I heard none of the Fab 5 suffered life threatening injuries during their career after college.

      • stillhatelaetner - Mar 14, 2011 at 11:24 PM

        Bobby Hurley=karma baby!

    • morebrutalthanyou - Mar 15, 2011 at 12:28 PM

      Ya im sure the fab 5 would of done great after life threatening auto accidents. Jalen Rose wont be on TV very long, like his dad I can see Bobby becoming a great coach.

  7. 1historian - Mar 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM

    I think it was 1990 when UNLV won the title and they beat Duke by about 30 points in the final and they showed absolutely no class. Coach K and his team took the whippin’, kept their mouths shut and the next year UNLV was undefeated coming into the final 4, they were touted as the latest ‘superteam’ and they played Duke in the semis and Duke beat them and then won the final, and won again the next year beating Michigan. I enjoyed that semis game between the two because UNLV had not had a really close game all year and when the crunch was on they folded. I liked watching that happen – they got what was coming to them.

    There is a sports saying that when you beat the s..t out of a team you DON’T rub it in their faces or you incur the curse of the sports gods, and that is precisely what happened to UNLV. What have they done since? Nada. What has Duke done since? Plenty. I dislike them as much as the next person but you have to give credit where credit is due.

  8. paiger67 - Mar 14, 2011 at 9:56 PM

    I watched this doc and knew nothing of this story. At no point during this movie did I think these players were conveying how they felt today. It was all reflection. Emotion and pride of young boys who were achieving a lot at a young age. The Uncle Tom remark?? Spoken like a a kid and he was just a kid. Does that make it nice? No, but kids say dumb stuff all the time. Rose said the better team won…..need he say more? I would have loved to hear from Webber(?). I was shocked at how things shaked out.

  9. astrozac - Mar 15, 2011 at 12:58 AM

    I thought they said as much in the documentary, that it was their initial thoughts of them. And one of the four, said as much after playing against Laettner, they realized he he wasn’t a “pussy,” and had game. And to some degree maybe Rose was right. They went after Webber and he did attend a private school …

    Interesting documentary. A bit more maturity and humbleness, they would have won at least one title. I’m surprised they couldn’t return the next season even without Webber. That would have been very interesting if he would have came back for one more season…

  10. thumper001 - Mar 15, 2011 at 2:01 AM

    [b][i]Dan Patrick scores again with another highly entertaining interview today, as guest Bobby Hurley — the only person ever to play for both Duke and Indiana*[/i][/b]

    This is wrong. Bobby Hurley never played at Indiana; he played all 4 years at Duke.

    Bob Bender, on the other had, won a national title while a freshman at Indiana in 1976, transferred to Duke, and was on the Duke team that finished runner-up for a national title, losing to Kentucky in 1978 (under past Duke Coach Bill Foster). He played for Duke during the Mike Gminski years of 1977-80. At the time, he was considered the only person to have played for two different teams in the national championship game.

    Mike Krzyzewski was a graduate assistant at IU during 1975 (as he played for Coach Knight at Army, and coached Army from 1976-80), and later went on to succeed Bill Foster as Duke’s coach in 1981. Bender then joined his coaching staff at Duke following a brief stint in the NBA. So basically, there is a IU-Duke connection that goes back to Bill Foster and Bob Knight (in spite of the tone here that the 2 would never speak to one another). Folks like to downplay it now, but Krzyzewski got his start in coaching at IU. And just where exactly did he get that tenacious D he’s known for at Duke? Uh huh…

    Maybe next time remember what your father (should have) told you: “Son, you shouldn’t believe what you see in the movies. They ain’t real.”

  11. metalhead65 - Mar 15, 2011 at 2:10 PM

    the fab 5 are just bitter they never won anything while in college. no big ten titiles no national championships. as stated by others thier legacy will be one that made trash talking and baggy shorts popular and that’s basicly they get a special for being young punks who did not win squat,yea great example for today’s youth.

  12. roddy84 - Mar 15, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    I watched the entire thing. A good piece. I didn’t think Juwan Howard was bitter. I don’t think Rose is as bitter as the other 2 clearly are. As for Webber, what a surprise that he avoided it all together.

    I couldn’t stand those clowns back in the day. Time has erased most of it and I kind of respect Rose for being willing to look right at the camera and say what he’s thinking. He obviously had a rough upbringing, but I’m proud of him for apparently making something good of himself.

    I don’t like Duke either, but they kicked the Five’s butt and kicked it good. I love Carolina and greatly enjoyed the timeout and the carolina win. I now feel a little bad for Webber since the t.o. clearly wasn’t all his fault (95% yes). Time to get over it all and move on.

  13. mgsxps - Mar 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM

    I watched the special on ESPN regarding the Fab 5. I got the feeling that my own preconceived notions about the Michigan players was brought out again – my own generation and social gap with them.

    I know the players were very young the 2 years they were together, and that has to be kept in mind. It was striking, however, that when they were doing well and having their way with other teams they couldn’t have enough cameras on them. When they lost in the finals – the only bluster many had was to threaten those filming them.

    Lastly, I grow tired of players and commentators (from any era) insisting that these “student” athletes deserve to be paid for their services due to the income they generate for the universities. The benefit the scholarship athletes receive for tuition, room, board (while not in the millions) is considerable. Add advisors, tutors, and facilities devoted to the athletes… any way you calculate it – this is financial support that the vast majority of students anywhere would envy and appreciate.

    Great ESPN program. I see the players and I still have a way to go to put this in the past!